Ideally solve that by eating veggies. This is because most homebound patients are typically older. No, you really, really really need salt in your diet, it is a macro-nutrient and is not that easy to find in diet without occasional supplementation, which is why it seems to make ordinary food more attractive, and dampens down bitter tastes, usually a danger sign for inedible food. Thursday, September 6, September 27, Episode 6. At work I had a cup of salty sunflower seeds handy.
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Ryoko Homma Brianne Hooper Dr. Scott Howard MindWhale Dr. Lysander Jim Kari Johansen Dr. Derek Lawrence Sunrise Dr. L J Leo Dr. Nancy Lonsdorf Wendy Lorimer Dr. Good, natural, complete, unprocessed, unrefined Celtic Sea Salt, not nasty processed table salt that has been stripped of all its protective and supportive electrolytic minerals and trace elements.
It annoys me that incomplete refined salt is even called salt. The most basic of chemistry classes quickly puts that fantasy to rest. Table salt, or very pure NaCl readily dissociates into its ions under the right conditions, however the sodium in living things potentially occurs bound in many compounds of differing affinities. However, I like to think of salt with the same and pardon the pun grain of salt that we should have considered dietary cholesterol with all these years.
The simplest and most obvious truth is that, as in all things, over-indulgence is likely bad, absolute abstinence is likely worse, and moderation is golden. Keep in mind that Cochrane did a systematic review that found that low-sodium diets only resulted in an average 1mmHg reduction in systolic BP with a negligible effect on diastolic. Going back to the cholesterol point, we were told for decades to avoid dietary cholesterol because the arterial plaques are predominantly composed of cholesterol.
Scientists, pundits, and concerned citizens blithely ignored all that pesky and significant data that showed that blood cholesterol was minimally correlated to dietary cholesterol.
Lastly, these stupid fad diets are literally killing us. The original AHA diets shifted people away from healthy, naturally-occurring fats to highly-processed, carbohydrate-laden foods.
Your right, salt is salt is salt…. On cholesterol, again your right. Dietary cholesterol has little or nothing to do with your serum cholesterol. Maybe if you have familial hyperlipidemia it might have an impact, but otherwise no. Sames goes for statins, in that they are mostly useless unless you have familial hyperlipidemia. The low fat high carb crap is what is currently killing most Americans.
Not salt, not fat. Well, I for one can attest that eliminating carbohydrates from your diet will make your blood pressure drop dramatically. Upon advice from my doctor, I did an Atkins style diet ketogenic along with a 5: I quickly dropped 30 pounds in 30 days. I probably use even more salt than before this diet, as the excessive amount of water I drink everyday depletes my electrolytes upwards of 1 gallon per day.
The real cause was of course a bacterium called H-pylori. Yes, stress or salt can exacerbate almost any medical condition, including high BP. But it is NOT the root cause and never was. I have been reading now for the past half hour all these different comments and replies of all these individuals and think that this one guy Allen, who has been running more than 20 years hit the nail right on the head with his explanation.
Depending on your activity level, that should dictate the amount of any nutrient your body requires, provided it comes from the best of sources, and if you feel healthy in how you live and feed your body then that should be your goal. No doubt like many before you, the myth that salt is a requisite, is endlessly repeated by people unable to understand basic English grammar. SALTS or electrolytes are essential to a human metabolism. NaCl or salt is not essential.
Which is totally meaningless! These are salts that the body requires, there is no requirement for salt ie NaCl whatsoever, it is a myth the toxic salt industry loves to promote and doctors health practitioners have swallowed the hook and repeat this rubbish ad infinitum. But two of the major salts that we need for proper functioning are in NaCl which makes it convenient. Not only that, they are used by the body in the greatest quantity. Henry is either very confused or a bit insane. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, just keep digesting those large amounts of sodium.
The average person who eats out a lot and eats process prepaired foods are on average consuming about mg of sodium per day. That is the true silent killer. First your kidneys, then your arteries, then other vital organs including the brain by means of stroke. No sooner had my 78 year old father adopted a very low sodium diet that he began experiencing distressing health issues.
Edema ensued and quickly after cellulitis, hospitalizing him for six days. Then came the kidney damage. The body does not need sodium chloride ie NaCl or salt.
It is a complete myth that the body needs salt. So you keep saying, but if you stop to notice, the body needs both sodium and chloride for electrolytes.
Table salt is just the two of those together. You are adamant that sodium and chloride are essentials and science agrees , yet you are saying that table salt should be avoided when, in fact, table salt is nothing more than those two essential electrolytes combined.
Literally my only point. Does a non- salt diet contribute to the kidneys not bladder making so much more urine…. Thank you for helping!!!!
If a non salt diet is the case, why pose an answer that involves blood balancing out the non existent salt in the body? You know what he means. You are being deliberately obtuse. You could just help by answering the question instead of letting your ego take the wheel. Some people are happy to work with misinformation, try and read in between the lines and then get the diagnosis wrong.
My preference is to know exactly what someone means and leave others to cock it up. To answer your question: I assume you are referring to the possibility of a low sodium diet causing you to pee more and the answer is yes. Sodium helps retain water.
So if you are on a low salt diet and are not eating enough veggies with natural sodium, you could become deficient and will pee more. Sodium is important to your diet. Squeeze the tip of one of your fingers. If it springs back quickly you are hydrated with sufficient water. If not you are dehydrated. Dehydration can be because of not drinking enough water or urinating too much due to either not ingesting or not retaining enough minerals. High quality sea salt is not white.
It contains a lot of minerals beside sodium and chlorine. It acts as a salt lick for humans. Sometimes I need a little more. Check with a doctor of functional medicine if you need specific medical treatment advice in this area.
So am I truly staying hydrated? Will taking salt help to retain water in my digestive system? And also my lifestlye is very active, aside from the sweating I do in steam rooms. I even work out before I do that. And from what I understand most toxins and waste are removed through feces. I might sweat a lot during that time, but none of it is leaving my body through urine or bowel movements.
Any dietary advice, including the safety of salt, can mean life or death to a heart patient, and this sweeping advice can be dangerous to the wrong person. To add another anecdote to the pile, my otherwise healthy and young husband is preparing for heart surgery in 4 weeks to treat sudden heart failure.
While he is encouraged to continue to consume low amounts of sodium which is present in almost every food , he is entirely restricted from salt.
Even a pinch of salt is considered a danger to him. There will come a day when he is on the mend and he CAN have a small amount of salt in his diet, there will never be a day when he MUST consume salt. So sayeth a cardiologist and, separately, a leading heart surgeon in Los Angeles.
Sodium is needed — salt is not. Salt happens to have sodium in it, which is why people think they need salt. Sodium is naturally in whole, raw foods. And because of this it is not needed to be added to your meals on the table or whilst cooking.
But the body does need salt just not from the salt cellar. I too followed the recommendations of a low-salt, low processed food diet. I lost 40 pounds, got a great tan and a lot of compliments, but my father said I looked sick.
I went to the hospital with hyponatremia too little sodium in the blood , had an IV drip, and the doctor told me I drank too much water. A hospital uses a drip because they buy and sell pharmaceuticals.
Though the body may initially use the second rate chemical reaction from the IV drip, this is not the way to maintain a metabolically useful sodium level. Modern living has shown that people do not understand what a wealth of sodium is lying in wait for them in simple vegetables. This sodium is rich, abundant and metabolically usefull over a long term, unlike the toxic industrial chemicalised salt in everyday use.
IV sodium at best, is a temporary stop gap, with potentially dangerous side effects and yet another crisis in waiting. Having too little sodium in the blood can be alleviated on a daily basis by simply consuming raw beetroot and celery.
It seems a bit suspect that we now need to add additional salt to our diets? What other animal needs to do this? Paul, naturally meats, fruits and vegetables, do not contain any NaCl at all. What they do contain is Na, sodium and Cl, chloride. The confusion lies in articles like the ones presented on this site, that omit to clearly define the difference between essential Na and essential Cl and non essential NaCl or salt. Sodium is not stable unless it is bound to some other element.
As you dry it out it will find a neighbor or a protien to bind itself too. Exothermic reaction big time! If you bit down on a piece of pure sodium it would explode your teeth and jaw. Look at the difference between heme iron and iron oxide. Either will work in the body but the body has to work harder to convert one than the other into a usable form.
What type of ignorant person thinks that sodium chloride presents some challenge to the body to separate and make use of the sodium and the chloride? I can make almost anything into a salt amphetamines are often made into the form of a salt! That does not magically make it good or bad but it sure makes it easier for the body to use it!
I can make cyanide into the form of salt but you do not want that in your body! Some of you are talking about chemistry and physiology you clearly do not understand. Your body does not for instance use complete proteins either. The body than takes those individual building blocks not complete anything and builds what it needs to build. If a form is toxic than you have a problem but other than that if it can be broken down it does not matter.
Some forms are so hard to break down that you body just does not have the time to break enough down with the resources it has to use what is being taken in but that is another problem. You can turn any metal into a salt! The truth is that you need salts, not salt. Salt is not essential to life, but salts are. The two words are not interchangeable Doctors are useless at nutrition. Recommending salt, instead of advising that sodium is plentiful in fruits and vegetables, as is chloride, and these are just two of the salts the metabolism requires to function healthily.
The amount of first class sodium in celery and beetroot is second to none. Chloride in abundance is also available in plant based food.
Unfortunately not everyone eats veggies which are a natural source of sodium. Some people just refuse to eat them. Sadly those who refuse to eat veggies but then go on a no salt diet may have some issues.
Ideally solve that by eating veggies. Extropian, you are very misinformed. Matter of fact, animal meats actually have quite a bit per serving. So you must be referring to yourself or dust mites. Alan — I have eliminated salt from my diet and it is not a problem at all. Sodium is different than salt. What I said was written flippantly as part of a personal anecdote, and was meant to represent my personal experience with my personal doctor.
But my bigger point, and the point that I actually do care about, was that articles like this making big sweeping statements are harmful. But this article by a person who is seen as a professional is irresponsible and incomplete.
Kell, you are right. People are very misinformed. More people need to die anyways…. Large herds in the days of old used to migrate constantly from places of salt licks to watering holes. The fact that animals ate addictive sodium chloride and went to a watering hole after proves nothing except that salt would make them thirsty. Processed salt, what we typically think of as table salt, is typically 95 to 97 percent sodium with the remaining being trace amount of iodine and the rest flow enhancers.
Realize there is virtually no chloride in processed salt. Sodium does not equal Sodium Chloride. Processed salt is not salt, it is basically sodium. James I totally agree with your sentiments regarding the separation of terminology regarding sodium and chloride and salt. Concluding you state that:. All sodium requirements and all chloride requirements are more than adequately met from plant based foods or the animals that ate the plants.
It is a myth that NaCl intake might cause health problems at low doses. What is missing, more likely and would cause health problems, is sodium and or chloride, not NaCl. Henry To a point I agree with you, if your largest physical exacerbation is twelve ounce curls, you may be correct.
However, since my normal work day consists of six to seven hours of sweating from head to toe, yes it is very physical, I do not believe you can simply eat enough to make up the loss. I do temper my additional intake on those days I know I will not be as physically active, Balance I do have a problem wrapping my mind around the concept you present the sodium and chlorine a chloride forms when the chlorine atom gains or loses an electron exists as independent molecules in plant or animals.
Sodium is a soft metal and is extremely reactive it will burn in water and does not exists in nature by itself but as a compound with other elements.
I look forward to further discussions as I attempt to understand this concept. Uptake of ubiquitous sodium ions is desirable as a way to build osmotic potential, absorb water and sustain turgor, but excess sodium ions may be toxic. Information from a number of plant species about the proteins involved in sodium-ion uptake helps to explain how plants manage to take in just the right amount.
Sodium is a highly reactive metal. Sir, you blasting comment lends nothing to the discussion except to confirm that when you open your mouth foolishness comes out. If you had taken the time to properly research and present that research, you would have proven that my facts on the make up of processed salt was incorrect and stretch my mind to a new idea, but alas you have failed, not miserably to achieve great things, just failed.
Please look at the following article , I did some slicing and dicing on the article but hopefully have kept the intent of it intact. Why is Salt Refined? You may be asking yourself the above question. Salt is refined for four main reasons: Refined salt, having all of its minerals removed i. Being a lifeless product assures a long shelf life. In fact, refined salt can sit on the grocery shelf forever. A long shelf life is a valuable tool to maximize profits for food manufacturers.
Manufacturers believe that an all-white salt product will look cleaner to the consumer and, therefore, increase sales. Refined salt is bleached in order to obtain the white color.
If the salt is taken from a polluted area, the refining process will remove the toxins associated with the salt. Iodine is added to refined salt to prevent goiter swelling of the thyroid. Unrefined Salt As contrasted with refined salt, unrefined salt contains much more than sodium and chloride. Unrefined salt contains all of the elements necessary for life. Table 2 shows the major contents of unrefined Celtic Sea Salt. Unrefined salt does not contain appreciable amounts of iodide.
Unrefined salt has not been put through various machines to remove the minerals and other elements that are naturally part of the salt. In addition, unrefined salt has not been exposed to harsh chemicals. Finally, unrefined salt will have the minerals and elements associated with its origin. There is one sodium ion for every chloride ion. However, the atomic mass of sodium and chloride differ significantly, hence the different percentage by mass. If there was a big difference in the amount of sodium compared to chloride, you would find that the salt was electrically charged.
If it were only sodium, you would find that it was a highly reactive metal. Salt is NOT bleached. NaCl is crystalline white in its pure form.
There are some minerals in the impure salts, but it does not matter with regards to your health. In fact, pure salt is better, I am not too keen on eating Silica and Strontium…. So, refined NaCl with iodine is the best for your health. Just bringing some chemistry to the table…. Refined NaCl is not good for your health, on the contrary, it is associated with stomach cancer just for starters.
Growing up, my older brother would call me a salt vampire. When I was pregnant my husband was sure my bp would skyrocket. I found that salty foods made my nausia go away, so saltines were at my bedside. At work I had a cup of salty sunflower seeds handy. And the minimal swelling in my ankles happened due to the increasing weight of the baby, not the salt. No one needs a lot of salt.
However we all need the requisite amounts of sodium and we all need the requisite amounts of chloride for our personal metabolism. All of the sodium aka natural salts your body needs comes from whole foods, not processed foods.
Its mind blowing to me the things that people want to argue about, other than common logic and sense. It banishes room for other energies. This is why people are on meds without an emergency. They change a little due to becoming accustomed to something and only jump to suppress it. It takes some thinking to figure out what to do yourself instead of suppress the oncoming change.
Ingesting salt as NaCl, wich is a mineral salt, has very diferente effects than ingestin sodium as organic salt like sodium citrate or acetate sodium wich is abundant in a lot of plants, like the fruit of Lemon, Orange, the leafs of most plants we eat. Nevertheless NaCl like the one it exists in the ocean water at aprox.
Chloride is also very importante to mamals, humans included, because it is the ion wich is used to manufacture the chloridric acid wich permits to make digestion of food it is a mineral acid by chemical convention.
The sodium wich is mainly in the stomach walls then reacts with the acid and protects the stomach walls from being corroded by this very strong mineral acid wich corrodes food and gives bad smell to vomit. Organic sodium is better to health and has not the danger if hardening the arteries and veins.
But nevertheless we should consume Chloride, wheter in plants or in NaCl, so the animals, like cattle or humans, or any mamal pets, be normal healthy animals. Cattle is full of NaCl in fodder, wich is not good, it should have a lot less NaCl, and a lot more sodium and chloride in fertilizer to plants, so they can manufacture organic molecules and then the cattle like pigs or chichens ingest it and humans also.
No, we should definitely not consume chloride from NaCl, when it is in abundance in plant based food, or animals that ate the plants. The best source of chloride is not NaCl. I am reading through these comments and some people are very misinformed. Perhaps they are being paid by big pharma to spew this nonsense.
Salt is not the primary reason behind hypertension its too much sugar and water.. Hyponatremia is when too much water in the body flushes the sodium needed to function.. You cells swells because the salt that regulates the in and out fluids in cells decreased.. Salt is eliminated though sweat and urine but sugar stays in until it is burned it up in either exercise or some physical work.. Sugar can cause glycation in the body which hardens tissues and sticks to cells like a magnet….
Now, I use to eat jars of pickles with salt , saltine crackers, and other salty foods sauce meats with no problems…. There is no proof that sodium causes high blood pressure and any health issues unless you are not drinking enough fluids especially water.. FYI, Too much water is not good for you either its biblical 1 timothy 5: The kidneys will hold that water in your tissues and body and now your bloated with water weight gain and other issues will follow…. I was never given a blood sodium test for HBP just the meds and guess what!..
My body was like balloon with water that needed to be eliminated.. Low salt helped kill my mother-in-law and it almost killed my sister-in-law a couple of years ago. I have been helped so much by my salt and water. Sometimes I take it about 30 minutes before bedtime. I have been doing this over a month now. It has completely stopped my foot cramps and leg pain. I have lost 15 pounds. I think of those has over 80 trace minerals that our bodies need. A person cannot survive without salt, period.
Try some of the healthier ones. You can find it typing in Water Cures and Sea Salt. Sodium should come from plants or the animals that ate the plants. Chloride should come from plants or the animals that ate the plants.
These terms are not interchangeable. No, you really, really really need salt in your diet, it is a macro-nutrient and is not that easy to find in diet without occasional supplementation, which is why it seems to make ordinary food more attractive, and dampens down bitter tastes, usually a danger sign for inedible food.
It even has a tranquillising effect in prey animals because it is so valuable that that it is worth the extra risk of being preyed upon to get that salt into the system. Salt has never been an essential compound for human metabolism to function correctly. You are totally fooled by a myth.
Sodium is essential as is chloride. NaCl is not essential and never has been. Sodium from plants or the animals that ate the plants and chloride from plants or the animals that ate the plants is where humans derived their sodium and chloride for tens of thousands of years. I have experiential proof that NaCl is not essential. As for suggesting that sodium and chloride are hard to find in a diet shows a massive ignorance regarding the sodium and chloride content of fruits and vegetable.
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