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And that is like a big no-no with BNI. BNI does everything it can to convince people it is not a club. Man, what a cryptic and convaluted organization. Lots of people in it, only a relative few making gobs and gobs of money….
Thank you for the comment. I got suckered in for a few months before it became apparent that the whole deal was stacked to a make a few people money at the expense of the many. He was introducing us to another guy that he has worked with for a while.
This is my claim to the nonsensical nature of BNI and other groups like it. Real business is done by parties that like, trust and respect each other. And lastly… if you own your own business why did you go that route rather than just get a job? You had an idea… possibly.
But more than likely you wanted freedom to work in the environment that you wanted to work in surrounded by the kinds of people that you wanted to work with.
BNI seeks to marginalize the individual by making everyone act, speak and be the same. This was an awesome article, and a lot of good, insightful comments as well. I just came back from a BNI open house as a guest, and I have to say that it sounded good at first.
I felt it was really cheesy and phony, like an infomercial. Then they said that if anyone wanted to join as a member, they had to stand up and announce their intention to join in front of everyone before the meeting was over.
I immediately smelled something fishy. These details are too important not to bring up. I work full-time, and this chapter meets 90 minutes during business lunch times, which meant it would require that I take time off work.
I imagine that other people would have the same problem, unless they owned their own business. Now I feel sorry for those people who stood up and joined. This is a great point. It looks like you got yourself a small cult following since my last post. I want to give you some updated information on BNI in my area. BNI had three local chapters, but is now down to one and that one is barely surviving.
They blame the recession, despite the fact that BNI promotes being in BNI would help business owners survive a recession. Two of my friends and former BNI colleagues had their membership terminated due to the strict attendance policy.
One has been fighting cancer and missed several meetings due to her chemo appointments. They tried to restart the chapter, but it failed miserably. Facebook, LinkedIn and other social internet sites have hundreds of thousands of members and cost nothing to join. I hope more people who are thinking about joining BNI find your blog and think before they blow their hard earned money.
I want to make some points on BNI and my experience I have to agree with some of your points and disagree with others. I am a local business owner that sell Web Design services. I found most of the junk that you mentioned above. However after spending 6 months on the BNI website I saw a new chapter was starting near me during the noon hour.
I messed very well with most of the members in the group and although we follow the standards of the meeting we are more laid back. I find during the non hour BNI takes up most of your day.
Therefore I find our members have their 60 second pitch pre-written and we take notes on what each person talks about. However we have never had to terminate a member yet. We have been a active chapter for over 1 years and we only had 1 member not renew. This is also true for myself. I referrals I have received have been of high quality and I have passed high quality referrals. Now I know just from my visits this could be the exception not the rule. When I invite my clients and colleges to BNi I tell them.
BNI may not be for you. But please do your leg-work and find one that makes the most sense for you. We are greeting by a very smiley man in his mid forties. He shakes our hand and we continue up to the stairs. At the bottom of the stairs we are greeted by another man,. Finally upstairs we are greeted by 3 more people. As i look around the room i notice 2 distinct groups.
US the newbies on the other hand were slightly lost and bemused by the amount of people there. Wow, this could be a good meeting i thought. As i fought my way through the crowd to get a coffee and a dry bacon sandwich, i caught the sight of someone who looked decent to talk to. After a few minus of nattering we did they usual of swapping business cards and moved onto the next group of people.
All of a sudden and without warning all the BNI members sat down. As if a switch had been flicked and they all obeyed.
I wonder how getting in contact with the Finance director of an airline can help my IT company supporting the town i live in. So after 20 minutes or so, i was getting a little tired by now and the speakers voice was starting to drone, we all got up and had 1 minute to exchange business cards with as many people as possible.
WOW, making contacts and maybe getting some good leads. As i sat down counting my newly found contacts, another speaker appeared and proceeded to tell us about the BNI and how joining it is great. Ok, now we can get on with some networking.. First the 2 chapter leaders got up to say thank you for coming and why joining the BNI was excellent. The membership forms come out. Finally he finishes and we can do some networking. What we had witnessed, and paid good money to go too was a 2 hour long hard sell.
Grumpy- Let me start by saying that article was one of the best reads I have had in Months. Very well written, and very entertaining. You have a new Blog follower. I was a member for almost a year and I loved it. My work colleague was a member for 3 months and just quit today. BNI is only as good as the people in your group. I genuinely liked the people in my chapter and I closed some good business from the referrals I got.
When my chapter broke up, I have kept in touch with the people and would continue to send them business. It worked for me because the people in my chapter were cool. My colleague had a terrible experience. His chapter members were self-serving and his Leadership team was condescending and arrogant. His take was why get up at 5am to be treated like a jerk.
If I was in his group, I think I would have had the same viewpoint. The bottom line for me is the BNI formula is going to bring out the best or the worst in people. I can easily see how a bad group is going to pass bogus leads and generally be a big waste of time. Conversely a cool group of people and a leadership team that encourages participation without condescending to its members can definitely profit from being a part of BNI.
BNI is only as good as the people in your group and the few people running your individual chapter. Sounds like there are a lot of the same symptoms in a lot of different chapters. I alluded to my current chapter being fairly successful. I think I can see some reasons why.
First and foremost, all the folks in our chapter see BNI simply as a marketing and networking tool. In my observations of chapters that seem to struggle and folks that have shitty experiences visiting chapters for the first time, I can see some key problems. It seems to me that those chapters are focused on simply building up their numbers and membership instead of making money.
Our chapter has battled this in the past and it can be annoying. Instead of BNI being a means to an end, it becomes the end in itself. Great for the BNI franchise owners, but piss-poor for all the members that have shelled out hundreds of dollars to hopefully increase their business. Also, i have noticed that the description of some of the meeting agendas and formats are way off the reservation!
Every meeting in any part of the world are supposed to be the same. I still maintain that BNI is the Walmart of networking organizations and I think it would be fun to see a huge shake-up in the structure and methodology of it. Damn the man and curse it for actually working sometimes!!! Just think this article and the comments are mostly based on the meeting itself. Imagine the bullshit and propaganda that is provided at at a director level! My objection to the organization was the constant pressure from our area director to sign new members.
It was explained to me that there was more financial incentive for him to do things that way then fortify existing chapters. This made the whole thing seem a little insincere. I felt for the money there should have been a little more customer service. When the number of members in our chapter were deemed insufficient by BNI corporate, our area director put us on a program which was according to BNI designed to bring us back up to snuff in 6 weeks or thereabouts, I forgot the actual number.
Well, he showed up to one of them and essentially cast us adrift afterwards only to show his face one more time several weeks later to tell us that our chapter was going to be dissolved. It made me wonder what I was paying for. My advice to anyone thinking about joining one of these chapters is investigate, investigate, investigate.
Go to a few of the meetings before you shell out the money. Grab every business card you can and call everyone to get their opinion on their chapter. Many of them will BS you but one or two will give you the straight skinny. If your business is complimentary to the business of existing members for example my business was complimentary to the Architect and Interior Designer who were already members of this chapter and vice-versa then it may be a good idea to add BNI to your marketing arsenal.
Just start a networking group. The same people with the same contacts and the same drive that build up a group for BNI could just as easily build their own group. In fact in many ways I think they detract from good networking. In my experience good quality business is done by people that know, like and trust each other. Many other people that were doing B2B sales felt exactly the same way.
Most business that was passed was low level retail or very low end B2B. That has a lot of value. What would that do to my reputation with my trusted associates? To sell them out to all manner of shysters and subjecting them to high pressure BNI sales tactics. Dutifully doing so amused my 11 year old daughter as she has wanted a Facebook account for some time and I had been stalling her. I figured it would be a good way to check it out before I gave my OK. In short - 11 year old girls.
This woman girl posted at least 30 times a day. Every bar she went to, how much she had to drink, whether she was getting it on that night. My, My…those photos… There is no way this woman could have been doing any work at all for BNI or her business. It was one drunken sortie after another. What a great way to promote BNI. Anyway - I am in the process of leaving BNI 3 people have left within the past month and if I find the time I will pop back and tell about A.
My quest to find a new chapter before deciding to finally dump these thieves and B. There are a lot of things that all of us do in our personal life that is completely inappropriate in the workplace. Perfect example; write an angry alcohol fueled rant blog about everything that pisses you off in life. That is something that needs to be separated from your work life. I have an entire rant about the stupidity of Facebook and an even angrier rant about Twitter. The average literary content on Twitter makes facebook look like the deans list at Harvard.
BNI has reduced what is an acquired art to a Billy Mays infomercial. BNI is to networking what krystal burgers are to cuisine. In my case, as I have a business for which finding referrals is easy, I quickly earned back the annual membership fee, although if you calculate in the time investment, membership may not be profitable. However, some of us have noticed that even for the easy-to-recommend professions, almost all sales closed are for services directly purchased by other members of the group, rather than outside referrals.
This goes against the concept of BNI, in which we are a sales team for the group, rather than selling TO the group. And I fear that some of these internal sales are a result of the pressure to achieve recommendations: If this is true, it makes membership considerably more expensive. Is this not borderline ilegal? What do the Exec Dir and Dir get exactly? I do know that some people love BNI and are dying to get in though not anyone I contacted. They are at odds with each other.
BNI teaches you to get to know your fellow members over time so you can trust them and feel comfortable passing them a referral. After all, it is your reputation on the line. Its kinda like drinking half a bottle of Absinthe in a sitting: To be sure, there are some really genuine people there who are extraordinarily supportive of you and your business, and for that, I am grateful. I have gone from suspicious to livid to disgusted. I thank you for your website in which I have been able to vent my frustrations, and really appreciate the great laughs as I feel increasingly down about being involved with this organization.
Soon, I will cut my losses…. Please do yourself a favor, quit now. Quit in a blaze of glory. Quit and tell as many members of that organization the truth why you are quitting. BNI is wasting valuable that could be better spent on more effective sales channels. Tell them straight and leave. Thank the handful of people in your group that are worth a damn and bail.
Grumpy Nerd, you are so right. Because most signed on for only one year and that time is almost up, and they know that they are going to lose a lot more people. Well, stupid is as stupid does. Thanks again for the great, and frank, feedback that confirmed my initial suspicions. You are doing a great service. Thanks for your blog!
I am a real estate lawyer who has been in my local chapter for 3 years, joining as soon as I opened my own shingle. Initally, it was good for me. The real estate same one the while time sent me a bunch of referals. Now she works with sellers and sends me nothing. Mortgage person does not send me s—t even though I know she is slammed.
Meeting is so long and too strucutred. Hey Jack, thanks for reading. One of the things that sticks in my craw regarding BNI is their religious blame overtone.
Like the church I attended as a youth BNI puts itself above criticism. I remain convinced that real networking is done informally between people that like each other.
Once you gain the trust of someone you do business with and once they like you they will introduce you to their other associates. This concept of structured forced networking that BNI mandates is absurd. There are probably a handful of people that BNI works well for. Good follow up comments to mine, Grumpy Nerd. YOu are right that many of the referrals are worthless or bogus.
The one exception was when the real estate agent was sending me closings with ratified contratcs. You are also right about the religious overtones. You are made to think Ivan Misner is like the Catholic Pope and is speaking with infallibility of the Holy Spirit when he says anything.
Think people, I am finally starting to. I just have to plan my exit. I have only been a member a short time 8 weeks and every week I sit in disbelief at the brain-washing mentality. I am cynical and sarcastic by nature. When I stood up and told my chapter that I read Givers Gain and found it very insightful into the whole BNI story-I saw my mentor sitting across the room grinning from ear to ear.
I find myself dreading every weekly meeting and even though I have already made the money invested in return, it is complete waste of my time. As soon as we sat down and the whole BNI is wonderful sales pitch came out, I just felt like this was a cult recruiting for human sacrifices.
I looked at the price for a years membership and wondered how I would break even, let alone make a profit from the poor quality referrals I would surely receive. There were two competitors from my industry at the meeting as prospective members and the leadership tried to play us off against each other to gain a signup from one of us. But the funniest thing for me was when the guy controlling the meeting got people to start filling out the membership forms and everyone apart from me just picked up a pen and started as if they were actually going to join.
I could not believe that these people had actually bought into it and had become sheep in such a short space of time. Yup, a lot of ugly people in the early morning is way too much to take. But all kidding aside…what can one learn about someone in the 60 second commercials?
Nothing other than what they do. Are they reliable, honest, what are their ethics…no one cares…as long as referrals are passed.
My spouse in the last 2 weeks referred four members to valued business associates. Now HE looks like the ass…geez, what the heck did you refer these idiots for? YUP, real proud I could refer these losers to you. Each week I would create a new second commercial and present it with enthusiasm in the hopes that I would get referrals, but each week I was further disappointed.
The lawyer, real estate agent and several home improvement business owners plumber, electrician, floor guy, etc. He then went on and on about how much business he had gotten through BNI. At the time I thought it would pay off. If anyone has figured out how to do it, please let us all know! Fictional Bullshit - the referral was simply fabricated.
Thanks for the feedback, Grumpy. Like any dysfunctional group, the BNI mucky-mucks made me feel as though there was something wrong with ME! Classic writing and great points. As someone that runs and reads blogs a lot I found the lack of the usual crass or moronic comments aside from my fellow wood toothed un-schooled Brit compatriot very telling.
The fact that people are pretty even keeled about their BNI experience speaks volumes to the veracity of it what you and they say are saying. Once there I soon cottoned on to the weirdness of it all - having had a relative marry into the JWs it was all too familiar.
That reference alone will bring you all kinds of sinister new traffic! Problem is that a keen radar gets well honed over the years and you know if only you trusted that first impression…. Now apart from this keen BS radar, I also have the vice of punctuality to the point where I am always stupid early to be on time.
I should have realised something was up when I arrived at 6. The hubbub down the hall should have been the giveaway. I ventured along and stuck my head around the door and there was like 20 people there already.
I laughed but no one else did. The previous commenter mentioned the sudden rush for the breakfast table. Then the really odd bit struck me. Yet almost all of the script that the meeting chairman was reading out was directed at the benefits of joining.
I looked around and saw many dead and trancelike faces, most of them chomping away at caterers packs of Kelloggs or drinking powdered orange juice.
Then came those strange pitches by nervous mumblers reading printed out speeches like reluctant best men at a wedding. Or did I imagine it? The next one did too. Then then next guy had a catchphrase - and everyone mumbled the punchline together whilst spitting Rice Krispies. Others meanwhile scoffed a disgusting breakfast of overcooked crap on a plate clearly not listening why would they? Finally at the end it seemed there would be time for a chat with the two or three people present who probably could provide useful referrals but no, us visitors were not allowed to participate in that.
Really this was supposed to be the sales pitch, the hard sell, but my mob were not hot on that. Well ,partly, but the truth is that these people had kept me for so long that I suddenly realised my parking permit had expired 5 mins ago and I did not want to get a ticket just to be polite to these characters. Yes, sorry I left so abruptly, I erm ah um… Yes of course take my credit card details. Enjoyed the comments since I last logged in.
Not surprised to know that BNI sux just as bad on the other side of the pond. I left BNI and joined a small local networking group. It is very similar to the BNI meeting, but it does not do about a half-hour of the pontificaitng that you do at a BNI meeting. I had to give my 10 minute presentation at our chapter this past week. I had referred one of my staff and I was letting them know how happy my staff-member was with their services. This person then proceeded to tell me they tried to call me yesterday to see if I wanted to give one of their products as a door prize that day.
I said oh, I never got the message. What a greedy piece of crap whose business practices leave little to be desired.. Just got invited to a London BMI open morning and found this thread via Google after going through about 10 pages of various chapters.
The whole thing doesnt feel right, just getting a random phone call and an invite by MAIL only, they dont appear to trust the internet. Having read all this i am actually pretty tempted to go along and just see WTF all these people are on purely for entertainment value. There might even be an article in it i freelance.
I understand your frustration. I am a lawyer and i only practice in 4 areas, mostly real estate closing. I want closings from the realtor and the mortgage person. They have not sent me crap recently which is why I am leaving. Like child custody and criminal. Have you been listening to my infomercial? It is funny you say what you did. I had gotten these strange letters before.
We had to send letters to 5 people or else. No one is going to respond to a stupid chain letter. Anyway, have fun and be ready to be recurited. The second was this morning when I was asked to attend by one of my clients. Considering we have a sizeable contract currently in negotiation I thought it would be prudent to attend and not risk offending them just as we are about to close the deal.
A number of things struck me as odd. I saw virtually no referrals from outside the group….. BNI has customers not members. Unlike a golf or service club, members of BNI have no equity in the organisation. They have no say in the rules or structure….. YOu only wasted 3 hours of your life instead part of 3 years. Jack that second article was good! I had no idea just how many people felt taken advantage up by BNI until I posted this article. Thanks for your blog as a place to vent!
Thanks to your blog, we are able to spread the word about this evil organization. I have at times seen all that was reported, and I have also seen it all happen very differently — all in the same chapter at different times.
Our chapter is what WE make it be. One surprize I have had is how much of this can actually be helped by an active education coordinator and by an active membership committee that truly reviews how folks are doing each month. Small nudges made at the right time can keep the bad trends away, but this may not be happening effectively in many chapters. The big BNI organization well, just oru area director did step in at one point and give us a good slap in the face and kick in the pants.
The catch was that we really needed these pushes and I am thankful to the area director for the wake-up calls — they made our group much more effective. So why would I be using your points? Because they have alot of validity and I want to review where we stand this week with respect to them.
Simply pointing them out will do much to cut down on their frequency. I think we are OK overall but there are some places where frank comments are needed. So dear readers, what to take away? What Grumpy Nerd reports can and does happen, but it does not have to happen and it does not always happen.
It depends on the chapter. Here is one stat I love and it is available in almost every VP report in every meeting: That is a reality check.
If you are in a chapter where these bad trends are happening, then step in and halt them. The chapter is what YOU make it be and you do not need to be a senior officer to cause changes. Think of it as protecting your investment. It is your chapter, make it work. By the way, she manages a home products store that supplies products to the home improvement people. I have been on a writing binge. Here is one more. I must have hit a nerve.
Hahaha, you said everything I had in mind, thank you! Everybody has to act the same way in this system. Great stuff, I was bombed out for missing six meetings in a 4 month period, thank the lord for that. BNI is a complete waste of money. My Chapter in the UK comprised the usual small smll town butcher, baker, candlestick maker. I received no referals for my meeting room and office space brokerage and was criticised for not passing on referrals when I had none to give. If you want more punishment sign up to Ivan Misners Twitter account - Jeez, an endless stream of cod psychology and prattle.
BNI is a complete and utter waste of time and money. We got tons of referrals in BNI. Exactly one of them was worth a shit and let me tell you how that got fucked up. I like to reward people for passing sales leads to us. So I struck a deal with the member who passed the lead that he would bill the client for the work we were going to do.
Great it was all worked out. We submitted our proposal to the BNI chapter member who was in turn going to submit it to his client. Which of course put our cost way out of the market. The rest were utter and complete fiction to make the member quota. As a regional manager in a large city my former employer would pay for any networking group as long as it made sense. I figured man this guy is a legend in the military and doubted he would remember me as we had only met once or twice. I walked up to MG to introduce myself and told him I remembered him from our unit.
His comments are ones that I will never forget as long as I live. So are you completing the application or not? In all my years I have never been disrespected by another military member until that day. I knew then and there that they only gave a crap about money and nothing else. Every single RSM in the company joined and came to the same conclusion: I must differ with you. The problem is that winners to losers in our chapter my estimate were 20 to 1.
So for every 1 person that did a good business in BNI 19 others wasted their time. The pitch and show to new members was that a lot of business was transacted via referrals during the meeting. How would they know that most of those referrals passed were pure fiction. Why would this blog get so much anti-BNI traffic? Because while there are a small percentage of BNI winners by and large it would seem that the majority of people that sign up for BNI waste their time and their money.
I went twice to BNI and decided not to join. I felt the only ones to benefit were the folk selling stuff that ever business uses. Printer paper, ink etc. Also I was unhappy with the simple formula one member of each profession. This does not give a true breakdown of businesses in your area. I also felt that in a time like now in a recession, to spend 3 hours a week and pay through the nose for it was just not cost effective for me, a sole trader selling my own time as a database developer.
I am a bit short of the hours I want but its only 7 0r 8 hours a week short. If your looking for business try the chamber of commerce in your area, or some sort of non cult network organisation. Non-cult, well put Glasgow! That is exactly what BNI is.
Look at a third party website such as http: In every business the people at the top make more. In an MLM anyone can work up to the top, unlike in a pyramid scheme. If your upline is a creep, the whole team is going to be creepy. If you have a good upline, the whole team will reflect that. Any business, MLM or otherwise, can isolate people from friends and family. Also, please stop commenting under multiple names. You notice that they call people that disagree losers.
You guys sound brainwashed. I probably need to stop Amway right? Besides, what the fuck are you doing just sitting on your computer commenting negatively on blogs that you know nothing about.
Your a hypnotized bitch and I believe that this guy makes 2. I guarantee you wouldnt be such a bitch if you understood how to do the same thing, but some people just cant believe something and have faith, so they knock it down and shatter other peoples dreams around them. Well I hope someone shattered your dreams when you were a kid, because isnt that what everyone wants?
To be around negative lethargic fucks who spend their days finding stuff that doesnt make sense to their peanut sized minds and calling it out because they dont understand it? Well LOL to you too. Your whole life is probably a big LOL. Oooh whatchu gonna do read my internet code or whatever and come set me straight? Bitch I am straight, I aint crooked like you so consider waking the fuck up before your short insignifigant life is over in the blink of an eye.
Here is my factual response to the author: Amway is an 11 billion dollar privately held, debt free corporation note in Forbes magazine several times and that is 1 in online health and wellness with all certified organic farms. Like Uber, Etsy, Lift, Ebay and Amazon, the allow everyday people to work as independent business owners with them in exchange for compensation. Pretty sure the government would not have the owner of an illegal pyramid scheme as their Chairman and could definitely find Mr Devos Courtside at a game to arrest him for his 11 billion dollar illegal business.
The Federal Trade commission tried Amway and found it to be what they referred to as a legal and viable business that is not a pyramid because a pyramid is an organization with no real products or services that only circulates money through recruiting others people.
Because Amway only pays when products are purchased not people signed up , they are by definition, NOT a pyramid. So you really have to be an idiot to lose money. You get paid a cash percentage of all spending resulting from your personal orders as well as referrals.
Unlike the job you probably work, Amway pays for performance not position. Your boss will always make more than you but in Amway if you cause more purchases than the person who introduced you to the opportunity , you out earn them even though they got started in business first. I hope this helped to educate you.
Would hate for you to continue to look like an uneducated liar to all you friends who watch football and will see the collegiate national championship winners hold up the Amway Coaches Poll Trophy, open Vogue magazine or watch New York Fashion week to see their national Artistry cosmetics campaign or watch the Orlando Magic or Chicago Cubs play and see Amway plastered all over the signage.
I have no boss. I am a real business owner — as in, I own every part of this business. I create the products. I do not peddle toilet paper or hand soap to my friends and family so I can make pennies on their subscription fees. I have to actually think up something new, produce it, market it, and sell it. You want to be paid for performance? Create something yourself, and then see how you do.
Can you make six- or seven-figures from your own creativity and grit? I am not an uneducated liar, stupid or unsuccessful. Last I checked I had a graduate degree, a six-figure online business, and no boss. I think you are a good person and probably a good business owner. Seems like he went out of his way to right that advisory. First off your friend seems a little fishy. I think your friend is you. Well I never heard of those tactics, and selling is optional.
Do your research before you post these hilarious posts. Any network marketing works but it all depends what you put in to it. Seen lawyers, doctors,all types of professionals in this business not just struggling middle America. Sounds like you have a grudge. Everyone has their opinion. Amway is a great business model, but there are knuckleheads just like in any business.
This information is based on 1 person that sounds like she was weird and working with some weird people. They tried to get me to join them and invited me to go to their group meetings. I did go a few times and it was hard to sit through the whole thing. I could not believe all the bull crap those speakers were feeding these people. Pyramid scheme or not, Amway is creepy and functions as a cult. These crazies nearly sucked me in. They immediately tell me not to tell my family about them, that my family would be skeptical about the opportunities amway would bring me, that my family would discourage me from doing it.
Had been in it for over 10 yrs, however, no longer in it today. But you people have no idea how it runs, your clueless. Your not even worth my time. I can see how one bad experience or one negative anecdote can turn you away from something—in this case, a business. Today you can also order condoms online from stores that offer them! You sound just like the people you say business owners involved with Amway call jealous. Your review is just pathetic but then if Amway was not for you, you just got to move on in life and focus on something you have passion for.
Spending time to rant against Amway will not make you money, you will only lose your time and what better you could have done instead! Amway is a good company and has helped a lot of people worldwide already which should be because they existed since ? Some distributors just gets hyper-excited acting queer instead of thinking business-like. Their products are mostly good. Of course, prospecting is part of it just like any other business.
Then the business presentation, then closing the deal or have the prospect sign up. You have to guide your distributors until they can made it on their own. Just like any distribution business, you have to check how your dealers are performing. Have a business mindset and hardworking attitude and you cannot avoid earning. Are u that much expert to comment on this????? Keep watch on amway growth, still growing fast… new manuf.
He gave me his website the day prior but I could not see what it was about. He kept saying that he was going to help me to have financial freedom as they have a strong network where they deal with professionals who work with Bestbuy, lululemon, etc. I feel like I deserve a good slap by allowing myself to go there.
You are going to ruin someone who is going to be a great leaders for his family one day. He understands that if he doesnt own, he will be owned by his job. For you to believe more in your 4 year, no guarantee, probably have student loan debt education will really help separate you from the masses but question his partnership with an 11 billion dollar corporation that is 1 online and has given him something he can own is sad.
Your boyfriend decided to put himself in the way of that online traffic. I believe he will be successful in 5 years if he keeps working hard and not let you steal his dream. Stop trying to get him to join you on the 40hours for 40years plan. I started this business a few years back and just listened and did what they asked me too.
Because of it i was Able to bring my wife home. My mother was absolutely hooked into it and tried to sell all her church friends on it. Every product in our home gradually became Amway. Shampoo, soap, and yes, toilet paper. Amway was all they talked about, it was insane.
It was a creepy thing to watch my parents become absorbed in something like that. My son has gotten involved with this company. I am scared to death for him. We try to talk to him, but he seems so brainwashed that nothing we say has any impact. My sister in Australia has been involved in this for decades and has made nothing, despite co-opting several others into the fold.
I had to quickly learn to ask what she was inviting me to before I accepted any invitations and eventually had to tell her not to ask me to any more Amway things. Then she started on my fiance. This is a business for the gullible — perhaps why they do so well in religious communities.
I went to a Amway meeting was one of the people in this situation they are creepy, the guy who tried to get me into Amway used my teammates death to incite conversation between us. He used my teammates death to try make profit off of me. I say try because i had this guy who did this spend money on me, who would buy me dinner and i would always tell them how cool the ideas are, every meeting was the same they made it seem like a family instead of a business.
Thankfully i chose a better financial option which was spent that on weed and flipped that sack for money. This business isnt for everyone. Just try the products and of you dont like them then return them you have 6 months to return them. They probably left because they trying to be with people who were trying to succeed.
Take it from me im 16 years old and this business has not failed me yet. Do you even know what a pyramid-scheme is? I only learned about Amway today, but I can spot a bullshitter when I see one. So the only schemer I see here is you. I absolutely agree with this post! The freaking nerve of these people!!!! Of course I put him in his place and hope that he never, ever dares to contact me again because if he does I will file a complaint for harassment!!
You are full of shit. But you have to work for it. If you stay home watching T. Amway is the 1 business in the world and the best quality of products.
Okay then, just like any other business with the same models and those more reputable, we can choose any model and become equally successful. You have to work for any job your acquire. My wife started to sell this stuff. After a few months, everything in our house was Amway crap, bought with my money at ridiculous prices. My family could not talk with her without her mentioning Amway in every breath.
In an attempt to discover what was going on, I went with her to an Amway seminar. I saw how easy it is to brainwash people at cult meetings. And we lost most of our money on useless crap that nobody wanted to buy. And I lost my wife. I would rather attend training that are proven success from people that I know are reputable. I can build big business elsewhere not through this pyramid.
First of all I have no problem buy the products from my own store, but they do tell you to get a whole new group of like minded people, which gurus do, that are not on your same agenda. They do not tell you whatsoever what the mentoring is for. Second, they are selling the education behind marketing and how to do it more than the products. Okay I would have had no problem with that if they said that upfront. I am a teacher, I can sell education to anyone.
That is the biggest thing. That is because I know psychology so well I know sales tactics to skirt around the truth. I can learn all these techniques elsewhere and sell something more profitable. Just do you due diligence before you get started.
The choice is up to you. I dont think that we should justify the blogwriter …. Amway takes advantage of gullible idiots, who can be found everywhere and turns them into Amway zombies. The zombies have been convinced that Amway products are better quality. A long time ago when i was 8 years old my mom tried Amway.
Governments around the world need to wake up to this plague called MLM which are nothing about pyramid schemes and snuff them out with the toughest legislation. It gives ordinary people and even highly successful people who are willing to work hard, the opportunity to become an entrepreneur.
You as an individual must just pick the right company for you to partner with, which suits your values. Amway is a very successful Network Marketing company. The Network Marketing industry is predicted by Paul Zane Pilzer to be the next trillion dollar industry by People are so quick to jump to conclusions about things they have no understanding or experience of.
I love seeing all the positive feedback tho. For the first time since the —75 season , the Sixers failed to reach the playoffs. Philadelphia selected Charles Smith with its first pick third overall in the NBA draft , then traded his rights to the Los Angeles Clippers for their first pick sixth overall , and Hersey Hawkins. In five seasons with the 76ers, Hawkins would average 19 points per game, and was the team's all-time leader in three-point field goals attempted and made when he was traded to the Charlotte Hornets for Dana Barros , Sidney Green and draft picks in In —89, Philadelphia returned to the playoffs after a one-year absence, but was swept in the first round by the New York Knicks.
After defeating Cleveland in the first round of the playoffs, Philadelphia faced Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls in the second round.
The 76ers fell to the Chicago Bulls in five games, and would do the same in after sweeping the Bucks in the first round. In the —92 season , the 76ers went 35—47 and missed the playoffs for the just the second time during Barkley's eight seasons in Philadelphia. Lynam relinquished his head coaching position to become general manager following the —92 season, and hired Doug Moe to fill the vacancy.
Moe's tenure lasted just 56 games, with the Sixers posting a 19—37 record. Popular former player and longtime assistant coach Fred Carter succeeded Moe as head coach in March , but could only manage a 32—76 record at the helm.
Following the —94 season , the 76ers hired John Lucas in the dual role of head coach and general manager. The enthusiastic Lucas had been successful as a head coach for the San Antonio Spurs , and Philadelphia hoped he could breathe new life into the 76ers. It proved disastrous, as the team went 42— in its two seasons under Lucas.
The acquisition of unproductive free agents such as Scott Williams and Charles Shackleford , players at the end of their careers such as LaSalle Thompson , Orlando Woolridge , and Scott Skiles along with stunningly unwise high draft picks such as Shawn Bradley and Sharone Wright were also factors in the team's decline. Lakers—had 16 productive seasons as an NBA player.
Starting with the —91 season , and ending with the —96 season , the 76ers had the dubious distinction of seeing their win total decrease each year. The nadir was the —96 season, when they finished with an 18—64 record, the second-worst in franchise history at the time. It was also the second-worst record in the league that year, ahead of only the expansion Vancouver Grizzlies but behind the Toronto Raptors , who were also in their inaugural season.
That season would turn out to be their last in The Spectrum. Katz, unpopular among fans since the trades, sold the team to Comcast Spectacor , a consortium of Philadelphia Flyers owner Ed Snider and Comcast Corporation , at the end of the —96 season. Snider had been the 76ers' landlord since gaining control of the Spectrum in Pat Croce , a former trainer for the Flyers and Sixers, took over as president. Many 76ers fans call these years "The Dark Ages". However, after many years of misfortune, there was a bright spot.
The team won the lottery for the top pick in the NBA draft. Questions remained, but with the first pick, the Sixers found their "Answer": With new ownership, Iverson in place, and the 76ers moving into the CoreStates Center , things seemed to finally be heading in a positive direction.
Croce fired Lucas as both coach and general manager. Johnny Davis was named head coach, while Brad Greenberg took over as general manager. Iverson was named Rookie of the Year, but Philadelphia's overall improvement was minimal, as they finished with a 22—60 record. Changes had to be made, and after the —97 season , Davis and Greenberg were both fired and the unveiling of a new 76ers team logo and jerseys marked a new era.
To replace Davis, Larry Brown was hired as head coach. Known for a defense-first approach and transforming unsuccessful teams into winners by "playing the right way", Brown faced perhaps his toughest coaching challenge.
He often clashed with Iverson, but the 76ers improved to 31 wins in — In exchange, Philadelphia received Aaron McKie and Theo Ratliff , defensive standouts who would have an impact in the team's resurgence. Prior to the —99 season , the 76ers signed George Lynch and Matt Geiger , but a lockout delayed the start of the season, which was shortened to 50 games.
During the season, Philadelphia acquired Tyrone Hill in a trade with Milwaukee. The team began its resurgence during this lockout-shortened season, finishing with a 28—22 record and the sixth seed in the Eastern Conference playoffs, marking the first time since the team reached the postseason. In the first round, Philadelphia upset the Orlando Magic 3—1, before being swept by the Indiana Pacers. The following season, the Sixers improved to 49—33, fifth in the Eastern Conference.
Again, the Sixers won their first round series in four games, this time defeating the Charlotte Hornets. For the second straight year, they were defeated by Indiana in the second round, this time in six games.
Though the team was moving in a positive direction, Iverson and Brown continued to clash, and their relationship deteriorated to the point where it seemed certain Iverson would be traded. A rumored trade to the Los Angeles Clippers fell through, but a complicated four-team deal that would've seen Iverson sent to Detroit was agreed upon, only to see it dissolve due to salary cap problems. When it became clear Iverson was staying in Philadelphia, he and Brown worked to patch things up, and the team would reap the benefits in — During the —01 season , the 76ers got off to a hot start by winning their first ten games and were never seriously challenged in the Atlantic Division.
Shortly before the All-Star break, Theo Ratliff was lost for the season with a wrist injury, one that would later prove to be devastating to his future career.
Despite holding a 41—14 record and a comfortable lead atop both the Atlantic Division and Eastern Conference standings at the time of the February 22 trade deadline, management felt the team needed an established center to advance deep into the playoffs. The 76ers went on to finish 56—26, good enough for their first Atlantic Division title since —90 and top seed in the Eastern Conference Playoffs.
In the first round of the playoffs, Philadelphia faced Indiana yet again. In Game One, the 76ers wasted an point lead and lost, 79—78, when Reggie Miller hit a three-pointer in the closing seconds. Philadelphia fought back, however, and took the next three games to win the series. The teams alternated wins in the first four games, with Iverson scoring 54 points in Philadelphia's Game Two victory.
A Game Five win with Iverson scoring 52 in a —88 rout and Game Six loss set up a decisive Game Seven, which the 76ers survived as Carter missed a long jump shot at the buzzer for an 88—87 victory that sent the Sixers to the Eastern Conference Finals against the Milwaukee Bucks.
After the teams split the first two games of the series in Philadelphia, it was learned Iverson would miss Game Three due to various nagging injuries that had plagued him late in the season.
Though most predicted a Milwaukee cakewalk, the 76ers kept the game close before falling, 80— Philadelphia seemed to gain momentum despite the loss, and they would win Games Four and Five. Milwaukee put any Sixer celebration plans on hold by building up a point lead in the third quarter of Game Six, but the 76ers would make a furious fourth-quarter rally before falling — Struggling in the series up to that point, Iverson scored 26 points in the final quarter to finish with 46 on the night and appeared to have gotten a second wind.
In Game Seven, the Bucks jumped out to a 34—25 second quarter advantage before seldom-used reserve Raja Bell scored 10 points to spark a 23—4 run that gave Philadelphia the lead for good. Iverson scored 44 points and the 76ers pulled away in the second half, winning by a —91 score to put them in the NBA Finals for the first time since As had been the case in their three previous Finals appearances, their opponent would be the Los Angeles Lakers, who had run up an 11—0 record in the first three rounds of the playoffs and were expected by many to make quick work of a worn-down 76ers squad.
Because of a seemingly meaningless loss to the lowly Chicago Bulls in the regular season finale both the Sixers and the Lakers finished with identical 56—26 records, but Los Angeles was awarded a higher seed based on tiebreakers , the NBA Finals marked the first time in the playoffs in which the 76ers had to start a series on the road.
In Game One, the Lakers jumped out to an 18—5 lead, but the 76ers stormed back to take a point lead in the second half. Los Angeles rallied to force a 94—94 tie at the end of regulation before scoring the first five points of the overtime period, but the 76ers closed the game on a 13—2 run for a — triumph.
Iverson hit a go-ahead three-pointer with 1: Eric Snow hit a running jump shot in the waning seconds with the shot clock expiring to clinch the stunning victory.
In Game Three, Shaquille O'Neal fouled out late in the fourth quarter, and the Sixers pulled to within a point with less than a minute to play after trailing by 12 earlier in the second half. Robert Horry , however, hit a clutch three-pointer in that final minute, and the Lakers prevailed, 96— The 76ers went into the —02 season with high expectations, but were able to produce only a 43—39 record, sixth in the Eastern Conference. In the first round of the playoffs, Philadelphia was defeated 3—2 by the Boston Celtics.
In the —03 season , the 76ers sprinted to a 15—4 start, but a 10—20 swoon left them 25—24 at the All-Star break. After the break, the 76ers caught fire, winning nine in a row at one point, and 23 of their last 33 to finish at 48—34, earning the fourth seed in the Eastern Conference playoffs. Iverson scored 55 points in the playoff opener against the New Orleans Hornets and the Sixers went on to win the series in six games. In the second round, the Detroit Pistons ended Philadelphia's playoff run in a frustrating six-game series that saw the 76ers lose twice in overtime, and once on a last-second shot in regulation.
It would be nine years before the Sixers won another playoff series. On Memorial Day, , Brown abruptly resigned as head coach, taking over the reins in Detroit a few days later. Ayers lasted only 52 games and was fired with the team's record at 21— Chris Ford took over, but the 76ers finished the —04 season at 33—49, missing the playoffs for the first time in six years.
Iverson, who was at odds with Ford throughout the interim coach's tenure, played only 48 games in a stormy, injury-plagued season. For the —05 season , Philadelphia native Jim O'Brien was named head coach. Iverson was moved back to point guard and flourished, having arguably his finest season. He also impressed many with his willingness to get other players involved in the offense. During this season, Philadelphia acquired Chris Webber in a trade with the Sacramento Kings , with the hopes that the team had at long last found a consistent second scoring option to compliment Iverson.
Andre Iguodala , Philadelphia's first-round pick in the NBA draft , was named to the All-Rookie First Team, and the 76ers returned to the postseason with a 43—39 record. Though the —05 season, the 76ers exceeded many on-court expectations, there was a great deal of behind-the-scenes tension between O'Brien, his players, and the front office. Shortly after the season ended, O'Brien was fired and replaced by the popular Maurice Cheeks , who played for the team from to , and was the starting point guard for the NBA Champions.
However, the coaching change did not help team's fortunes for the —06 season. A 2—10 stretch in March doomed them to missing the playoffs for the second time in three years with a 38—44 record. With the opening of the —07 season , the 76ers started out hot, going 3—0 for the first time since making it to the Finals five years previously.
However, they stumbled through the first half of the season and could not quite recover, finishing 35—47, good for third in the Atlantic Division, and ninth in the Eastern Conference tied with Indiana.
On December 5, , disappointed with the direction the team was headed, Allen Iverson gave the 76ers management an ultimatum: This was confirmed via an in-game interview with team owner, Ed Snider. Then, on January 11, the 76ers' general manager Billy King announced that the Sixers and aging forward Chris Webber had agreed to a buyout of the remainder of his contract.
After the buyout, the Sixers waived Webber, making him a free agent. Webber signed with the Detroit Pistons shortly thereafter. The moves allowed the 76ers to make Iguodala the unquestioned leader of the team, and evaluate whether they saw him as a franchise player. The Sixers had started the year 3—0, then went 5—10 before Iverson left the team. They would stumble out to an eight-game losing streak with Iverson deactivated; however, they were able to finish the season on a high note, going 30—29 for the remainder of the season.
They finished the year 35— With Iguodala, the Sixers clinched a playoff berth with a win over the Atlanta Hawks on April 4, It was their first postseason appearance since , as well as the first in the post-Iverson era.
However, they were eliminated by the Pistons in six games, with Detroit winning the series 4—2. Even with this elimination, many fans considered this to be a successful season, considering that the Sixers were 12 games under. This move has been the subject of controversy since there were rumors that he and Baron Davis had made a friendly agreement to play together for the Clippers. Donyell Marshall was signed on September 2, , after he stated to his agent that he wanted to go back home and end his career in Philadelphia.
However, the Sixers could not find the form that pushed them to the playoffs last year. The Sixers started the year with a 9—14 record before firing head coach Maurice Cheeks on December Assistant general manager Tony DiLeo took over and the Sixers gradually improved.
They finished the season with a 41—41 record, with a 32—27 record under DiLeo. Brand's first season with the Sixers ended early with a right shoulder injury that required surgery. Despite the loss of Brand, the Sixers earned a playoff berth with a 95—90 win against the Detroit Pistons on April 4, , at home.
In the first round, they faced the Orlando Magic. Three of the first four games of the series provided late-game heroics. Just like in the previous year's playoffs, the Sixers led 2—1 after three games, but the Magic won three straight to eliminate the Sixers from the playoffs. It was also during the season that the Sixers played one home game at their old home, the Wachovia Spectrum. The Sixers won — over the Chicago Bulls on March 13, The game was played to provide the final curtain call on the Spectrum, which was scheduled to be imploded on New Year's Eve Following the playoff loss, Tony DiLeo returned to his front office job, creating a head coaching vacancy.
The Sixers also traded power forward Reggie Evans to the Toronto Raptors for a three-point specialist, small forward Jason Kapono , who had won back-to-back three-point shootouts in and However, the euphoria that greeted Iverson's return to the 76ers faded quickly.
On February 22, Iverson announced he was leaving the 76ers indefinitely to attend to his daughter's illness, and a few weeks later the 76ers announced that Iverson would not be returning for the rest of the season. The 76ers finished the season with a record of 27—55, their first loss season since Most cited the reason behind this as the players' inability to play within Eddie Jordan's Princeton offense , with several players unhappy with his system.
Hours after the 76ers' last game at Orlando on April 14, the team fired Jordan after one season. He was the fourth coach to be fired after one season or less since Larry Brown left the team in The 76ers had the sixth-best odds at receiving the top pick in the draft , and they managed to land the second overall pick, beating out the Warriors, Kings, Timberwolves, and Nets, who all had better odds.
The Sixers started the season with an uninspiring 3—13 mark, but started turning things around, to finish with a 41—41 record. They clinched a playoff berth on April 1, , their third in the last four years. The 76ers faced the heavily favored Miami Heat in the first round, and ultimately fell to them in five games. Although they lost the series, Collins was praised for turning around a lottery team in his first season, as well as winning a playoff game when many pundits predicted that the Sixers would be swept.
Collins also finished second in Coach of the Year voting. On July 13, , Comcast-Spectacor reached an agreement to sell the 76ers to an investment group led by Apollo Global Management co-founder Joshua Harris. The sale did not include any ownership stake in the Flyers or in Comcast Sportsnet. The Sixers will continue to play their home games at the Wells Fargo Center for the foreseeable future. The new ownership group decided to retain head coach Doug Collins and president of basketball operations Rod Thorn.
Ed Stefanski, who served as the team's general manager since , was relieved of his duties. The —12 season was delayed into December due to the lockout. The Sixers did not play their home opener until January 6, The home opener marked the debut of an improved in-game presentation at the Wells Fargo Center. The Sixers had their best start since the —01 season with a 20—9 record, battling for the Eastern Conference's best record and taking a firm division lead.
The Sixers, however, finished the rest of the season 15—22, giving them a 35—31 record. Attributed to their lack of a true go-to scorer, [ citation needed ] the 76ers lost hold of the top-three seed and division championship that they held for most of the season, by going on the losing steak. Nevertheless, they clinched their fourth playoff berth in the last five years on the penultimate play date of the season. Philadelphia earned the eighth seed in the NBA playoffs , facing the first-seeded Chicago Bulls.
Philadelphia improved from their struggles in the second half of the regular season, beating Chicago 4—2 to win their first series since This was the fifth time in NBA history that an eight seed has beaten a one seed. They then faced their rival, the Boston Celtics , in the second round, and were eliminated 4—3. The Sixers once again faced criticism for their lack of a true scorer, as they were not able to keep pace with the Celtics' scoring. They were, however, given credit for winning the regular-season series against Boston and forcing the playoff series to seven games against the Celtics, who had won the last four division championships.
The Sixers started the —13 season with high expectations with the help of Andrew Bynum and the growth of the young Sixers. However, Bynum's debut with the 76ers took a hit when he was sidelined for precautionary reasons, in relation to the Orthokine knee procedure he received during the off-season. At first it looked like Bynum would be out only shortly, but little success in healing and setbacks pushed Bynum's return date further and further.
As a result of many setbacks, on March 19, the Sixers announced that Bynum would have season-ending surgery on both knees. On February 8, Jason Richardson also went through a season-ending knee surgery. By the end of the season, Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes were the only Sixers to play in every game during the season. The Sixers started the season 12—9 but stumbled through a tough stretch and could not recover.